The reporting from corporate media is quite disturbing and grossly inaccurate. I have watched much of it. I saw where Jimmy Kimmel said that Robinson is MAGA. That’s pure disinformation. Being someone who has been following the trans issue for quite some time, I am well aware of the furry culture. The shooter’s motivation is clear enough regardless of what CNN said. And the text dialogue between Robinson and his partner was anything, but “touching.” There are some who think it was done intentionally to protect the partner and make it appear he knew nothing of the planned shooting. Hard to believe. I think there will be further arrests as the investigation expands. Anyway, as one of your conservative followers, I always appreciate your perspectives. Thank you.
NYTimes :> "... after conservatives accused the longtime host of inaccurately describing the politics of the man who is accused of fatally shooting the right-wing activist Charlie Kirk."
"inaccurately describing" seems rather biased at best. Here's what Kimmel apparently and actually said:
"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang trying to characterize this kid who killed Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them."
Don't know about you, but, offhand, it seems that "anything other than one of them" is "prima facie evidence", as the lawyers say, of a libelous accusation that Robinson was "one of them", i.e., a "dissident Republican" who "went off the reservation".
Seems less a matter of "free speech" than of the libelous and slanderous variety.
Great report, Kara. Just as we need to say "he's a man; it's okay to say he's a man" - as you did in that powerful interview with Charlie Kirk, we need to say, "This is a sexual fetish: not just the furries but some considerable portion of the underlying drive and aggression of the male-led, male-dominated, male-violent AGP trans movement."
Psychologists used to know this: Cross-dressing was about sexual arousal. The "we're just like gay people and need human rights" PR campaign successfully squelched this fact.
Kudos to you for bringing more of this to light. Love your writing style, too.
Every article I have read sneeringly dismisses the idea that "trans" had anything to do with this. The fact is that Trans Rights Activists are the most violent faction on the left. I never read or listen to right wing media, so I don’t know if they have ever reported anything about TRA violence against women and feminist functions.
> ".. I don’t know if they [the Left, the Democrats?] have ever reported anything about TRA violence against women and feminist functions."
Mostly crickets from that quarter at least. But, in the same vein, you might have some interest in a shot I fired across the bows of some leftists over in something of a backwater, The Bulwark:
They are disappointingly tribal on this issue, with the exception of Mona Charen, Cathy Young, and, possibly, Sarah Longwell, although she keeps quiet on it. You'd think that as former Republicans, they'd be a bit more open-minded, but they have swallowed the trans narrative hook, line, and sinker. Tim Miller and JVL are the worst. I used to like the Bulwark because I thought they offered a more moderate take than the liberal outlets I used to watch/read, but not on the trans issue (and they have also been sadly lacking in critical thinking when it came to Covid policy).
> " Tim Miller and JVL are the worst. I used to like the Bulwark because I thought they offered a more moderate take ...
Seems I have 4 free gift subscriptions left -- one taken, going fast, act now to reserve yours!! 😉🙂 -- to the Bulwark to give away if you, or anyone else was interested in having one. All I need is your email address which you can easily provide -- on the q.t. -- simply by subscribing, as briefly as you wish, to my own Substack. I can then use your email address to send you one of those Bulwark subscriptions.
In any case, y'all might have some interest in my several comments over there which seem to have thrown something of a fox in amongst the chickens:
Though, en passant, I wonder what Cathy Young's take has been. Seem to remember having some illuminating conversations with her -- lo, these many moons (possibly 9 years) ago, way back in the dark ages, in the era of Twitter 1.0 -- on sundry topics. Have always been rather impressed with her amusingly trenchant insight into the transgender clusterfuck:
"Cathy Young @CathyYoung63:
#BathroomWars 2020: Otherkin who identify as dogs challenge public urination bans b/c they should be able to piss on fire hydrants
Anyone who dismisses a reporter or writer because they "lean" a certain way is an absolute moron, imo. They have no interest in our system of government and prefer to live in their own heads. I'll listen to anyone who sticks to facts and who can present an argument for their "side." This is how we get to compromise and solutions. I believe part of the denial about trans and furries is because it sounds like some nightmare of a fever dream, so fantastical that it must be a lie. We've gone from the Moral Majority in the 80's wanting to police everyone's bedroom and put chastity belts on females with the left fighting that, to now the far left wants to bring their bedrooms and fetishes out in public and force everyone to watch and celebrate, including children. In my view, you're not the far left, you're just the normal left.
Speaking only for myself, in criminal cases particularly, I think it's especially important to take as much information as possible from primary sources and be very wary of reliance on any secondary source, no matter how generally reputable. Following that approach, in this case, per the charging documents (thank you for linking them), Robinson's partner does not seem to be implicated, and it appears to me that there is much more we need to verify about the background and motivation of the alleged killer.
That said, I agree that folks on our side of the aisle generally lack an understanding of the fetishism and associated violence that underlies some gender ideology activism, and we all have a responsibility to educate ourselves and take this seriously. As you noted, none of us who have taken on the responsibility to educate ourselves are the least bit keen to have had to become familiar with the incredibly dark corners of sexual behavior that animate some of this activism. It is essential to look this stuff in the eye and not shy away, and anyone who has not done that really should not be weighing in pro or con on these issues.
Someone in a comment above suggested that these messages might have been deliberately planted by the two of them to make the roommate look innocent. That is complete speculation and hadn't occurred to me before (I always felt kind of sorry for the roommate), but honestly, it seems like a possibility.
I appreciate being informed on this Kara since the mainstream media is either avoiding or ignoring the truth. That being said the level of kink, violence, mental illness et. all, associated with the trans/furry movement is downright gross. The urge to take a break from all media right now is strong.
Reminds me that I had once jested, or jousted with a "lady of easy virtue" that for many people those others less kinky than they are are prudes, and that those more kinky are perverts.
Which reminds me of a quip by a character in Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove, to the effect that a "bunch of preverts were going to have answer to the Coca-Cola company" -- because the fellow, a soldier, had shot-up a Coca-Cola dispensing machine to get change so another character, Peter Sellers, could phone the White House.
It would be helpful to confirm whether it is true, as I have read multiple times, that paraphilias tend to cluster such that if a person has one, they are much more likely to have another. If true, this is highly relevant to the discussion around permitting trans-identifying males access to women’s spaces. If a man is AGP, it would therefore follow that he is a potential voyeurer, exhibitionist, and other highly disqualifying attributes.
Actually that is exactly what men who have AGP are doing- they have a fetish and they are using ridiculous self id laws to invade women only spaces. Most states, including ones that are considered red, are currently housing “trans identified” males in women’s prisons that have rape and sexual abuse convictions against women! They aren’t women- they are predators taking advantage of a law that allows them to abuse women. Not that it matters to the democrats who are in power, they don’t care about the distinction. Most people don’t even realize that the state they live in, has changed state laws already. In the state of NY men are allowed in the women’s locker rooms at gyms and women’s spas. We went from the extreme of believing all women a few years ago, to allowing them to be fetishized and abused now. It’s maddening.
> "If a man is AGP, it would therefore follow that he is a potential voyeurer, exhibitionist, and other highly disqualifying attributes."
"highly disqualifying"? You might give some thought to this transwoman, Lynn Conway:
Wikipedia: "Lynn Ann Conway (January 2, 1938 – June 9, 2024) was an American computer scientist, electrical engineer, and transgender rights activist.
In the 1960s, while working at IBM, Conway invented generalized dynamic instruction handling, a key advancement used in out-of-order execution, used by most modern computer processors to improve performance. IBM fired Conway in 1968 after she revealed her intention to undergo a gender transition, which the company apologized for in 2020.
Following her transition, Conway adopted a new name and identity and restarted her career. She worked at Xerox PARC from 1973 to 1983, where she led the "LSI Systems" group. She initiated the Mead–Conway VLSI chip design revolution in very large-scale integrated (VLSI) microchip design, which reshaped the field of microchip design during the 1980s.
Conway joined the University of Michigan as a professor of electrical engineering and computer science in 1985. "She" [he] retired from active teaching and research in 1998 as professor emerita. Conway began publicly discussing her gender transition in 1999 and was a transgender rights activist until her death in 2024."
Don't know about you, but some might argue that "her" transition may have helped her to make some significant contributions to electronics and computer technology that have had far-reaching and quite beneficial effects on society in general.
Kinda think one has to do a bit of differentiation, to distinguish between the method and madness in the whole phenomenon, although it is maybe moot where the dividing line is, as is often the case. But there's maybe still some reason to argue that some transwomen insisting that they have actually changed sex -- a biological and medical impossibility -- with their brand-spanking new neovaginas -- as many do though I don't think Lynn ever did -- probably qualifies as crossing the Rubicon.
He was welcomed into the computer tech industry because he was a man.
You can't even imagine how hard it was for women to break into that industry as recently as the 1990s, much less in the 1960s. His whole career was based on him being a man.
Just one more man who took everything he could get out of his male privilege, then decided he needed to take womanhood away from women while he was at it. The tech industry is packed to the gills with misogynist men, including men like this. There's nothing special about any of them.
Well, he certainly had been a male, and then he wasn't; he became a sexless eunuch who looked pretty much like a woman, at least (not too deep) under the hood. You may, or may not, have some interest in his experiences on that score:
Vaginoplasty: Male to Female; Sex Reassignment Surgery
Historical notes, descriptions, photos, references and links.
Only "his" gynecologist could say for sure, certainly not many of his sexual partners.
But don't think that detracts much from his contributions more or less as a woman -- seems he presented himself as such for some 25 years, and had been taken as such for that length of time:
Wikipedia: "Following her transition, Conway adopted a new name and identity and restarted her career. She worked at Xerox PARC from 1973 to 1983, where she led the "LSI Systems" group. She initiated the Mead–Conway VLSI chip design revolution in very large-scale integrated (VLSI) microchip design, which reshaped the field of microchip design during the 1980s. ....
Conway began publicly discussing her gender transition in 1999 and was a transgender rights activist until her death in 2024."
So, looked like a woman and was taken as such from 1973 to 1999. So something of a stretch to say, "His whole career was based on him being a man" as few if any knew that he had once been one.
But some complex and quite convoluted psychology there, not far removed from people who have a rather desperate need to remove an arm or leg or two:
The Atlantic: "A New Way to Be Mad
The phenomenon is not as rare as one might think: healthy people deliberately setting out to rid themselves of one or more of their limbs, with or without a surgeon's help. Why do pathologies sometimes arise as if from nowhere? Can the mere description of a condition make it contagious?"
Um. No. He was still and always male. That's how human biology works.
He was a man from the moment he entered adulthood until the day he died.
He didn't look like a woman. He looked like a man pretending to be a woman. That's not at all the same thing. I've known plenty of men pretending to be women. We know who they are. Our very lives depend upon being able to differentiate between them and women.
He was certainly not treated like a woman by women. He was treated like a man forcing his paraphilia on women without their consent. Women treat each other completely differently from the way we treat men. Men are absolutely never treated the way we treat each other. Men don't even know what it's like. We live our lives as prey animals preyed upon by our own species. Our world is, by definition, 90% invisible to men.
As I said, he got into the tech industry by being a man and was allowed to climb his career ladder for a good decade before he decided that his male privilege hadn't extended far enough for him. So that's not a "stretch" at all. He was allowed to do what he did because he was a man. If he had been a woman, he wouldn't have been.
I truly wouldn't argue this kind of thing with a woman who's lived it, if I were you. I'm deeply traumatized for life by the misogyny of the tech industry and how women are treated in that field, the careers and financial security denied to us simply because we're women.
No man knows anything about what it's like to survive that--certainly not a man pretending to be a woman.
Eleganta: "He stopped being male? Um. No. He was still and always male. That's how human biology works."
That depends on how you define the sex categories. If "male=XY" then you might have a point since the karyotype never changes. But that is not how mainstream biology defines them -- you might take a gander at how that is done in reputable biological journals. For example:
From the Glossary of this Journal article on "Gamete competition, gamete limitation, and the evolution of the two sexes; Jussi Lehtonen, Geoff A. Parker; Oxford Academic; Molecular Human Reproduction, Volume 20, Issue 12, December 2014":
"Female: Biologically, the female sex is defined as the adult phenotype that produces the larger gametes in anisogamous systems.
Male: Biologically, the male sex is defined as the adult phenotype that produces the smaller gametes in anisogamous systems."
Technically speaking and by those definitions, one must have functioning gonads to qualify for sex category membership cards. A more practical definition might "ovary-haver" for "female" and "testicle-haver" for "male" but absolutely no biological journal says anything of the sort.
And if you don't use those definitions then you don't have much of a leg to stand on when some people, like the "judge" in the Tickle-vs-Giggle case, uses "vagina-haver (or reasonable facsimile thereof)" for "female" and "testicle-haver (or reasonable facsimile thereof)" for "male".
Eleganta: "He [Lynn Conway] didn't look like a woman. .... He was certainly not treated like a woman by women."
How do you know that? You ever read his biography?
You might take a look at "her" 2000 photo in the second LA Times story below -- you might have to use the archive link. "She" certainly looks rather feminine to me -- but then again, my "gay-dar" might need recalibration. 🙂
Eleganta: "I truly wouldn't argue this kind of thing with a woman who's lived it, if I were you. I'm deeply traumatized for life by the misogyny of the tech industry ...."
Sorry to hear that. I went through BC's [British Columbia's] Institute of Technology -- two year diploma -- program in electronics some 50 years ago, and don't recollect any women in any of the courses. Most women just don't seem much interested in ohms and volts, in the hardware end of things. 🙂 I subsequently worked in the field for some 30 years and very few women in it, although I worked with a couple of women engineers but they were in the software end of things, women generally having a greater aptitude for languages.
I agree that perhaps some men’s partners cannot tell if they had vaginoplasty, but I think this owes less to the quality of the surgery and more to the fact that most men really don’t look that closely at female external genitalia and are quite content to view it as primarily a hole to stick it in.
I think the spin from terfs should be that the lover of the killer was trans.
Just plain trans.
The furry part is both hard to explain (see how much effort Kara had to devote to it) and then easy for our opponents to dismiss ("OK that guy really was nuts"). Trans needs no explanation and cannot be dismissed.
Also lover, not roommate or dating partner. Lover. That sticks in the brain better.
Does no one remember what George Lakoff tried to teach us 20 years ago about framing?
I keep wondering about the role of homophobia in the relationship of the two of them. Both are from conservative Christian families, both appear to be gay... One of them is transitioning to female. Exactly what they do in Iran to be able to live as gay couples.
The thing is that NO male is EVER going to "transition to female" -- a biological and medical impossibility. To a first approximation, to qualify as a female one must have ovaries, and to qualify as a male one must have testicles. No way on gawd's green earth that any transwoman is ever going to replace his testicles with ovaries of his own.
Though, to be fair to you, many other sources -- apparently including both ABC and NBC News -- have likewise stated that "Republican Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said the shooting suspect had a 'boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female' ...":
However, that same source (Snopes) says the "Court documents" quote Robinson's mother saying that Tyler "had started dating his 'roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders' ..."
There's a difference between "sex" and "gender" that many people -- including Kara -- don't realize and it's causing no end of confusion -- which tends to preclude resolution of a number of thorny social issues.
Since you seem to have "fallen down the gender rabbit hole" yourself -- 😉🙂 though easy enough to do; half the (western) world seems to have done likewise -- you may wish to take a gander at this post by "La Scapigliata" [AKA Dr. Maja Bowen] on the conflation of sex and gender:
She's labouring under a few (feminist) "cognitive distortions" of her own, but she still manages to draw a more or less accurate distinction between sex -- male & female; testicles & ovaries -- and gender -- masculine & feminine; behaviours and traits typical of males and females.
You -- and Kara in particular -- might also consider this illuminating analogy from the late great US Justice Anton Scalia which more or less replicates Bowen's arguments and perspectives:
AS: "The word ‘gender’ has acquired the new and useful connotation of cultural or attitudinal characteristics … distinctive to the sexes. That is to say, gender is to sex as feminine is to female and masculine is to male."
I’m sorry, I should have put quotes around this statement. I was using “transitioning to female” as a shorthand for whatever it is that man is doing. I am perfectly aware that no one ever changes sex. I am also aware (I’m sure Kara is as well) of the difference between sex and “gender” - whatever the latter means, Kathleen Stock lays out the various meanings in her book pretty well - and have known about it since I first encountered the writings of Judith Butler in the early 1990s (found them crazy back then, and wouldn’t have dreamed those ideas would ever go mainstream and capture even the medical establishment).
KateP: "I was using “transitioning to female” as a shorthand for whatever it is that man is doing."
Transitioning to a more "feminine" presentation and expression. Think it's important to use "feminine" and "masculine" for genders & keep the "female" and "male" for the sexes only. They refer to or denote entirely different kettles of fish as that post by Dr. Bowen emphasized.
I may have mentioned this before, but the late great justice Anton Scalia had a neat analogy that nicely differentiated between the two categories:
AS: "The word ‘gender’ has acquired the new and useful connotation of cultural or attitudinal characteristics … distinctive to the sexes. That is to say, gender is to sex as feminine is to female and masculine is to male."
It really has been hiding in plain sight for a while, and the occasional fad that’s come up a few times over the past 10-15 years in ads with fuzzy winter hats with little ears on them certainly helped to muddy the waters. Most people probably thought it was just cute.
“This is why many lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people have had it with Pride and with the “TQIA+” part of the acronym; they want nothing to do with this stuff.”
Correct, I watched it happen at a Pride march I produced in the 90s and rose up years ago. We’ve all seen it by now: “furries” (young people dressed in animal costumes) being oogled in public by paedophiles and people (almost all gay men) dressed in S&M attire.
Sorry gays, it’s NOT okay to just not want nothing to so with this “stuff”. NOT okay to just walk away and say nothing when you see children and youth being groomed by sexual predators. NOT okay to walk away when you see women being attacked and our rights taken away. You are complicit if you have failed to speak out and if you’re a bystander to this.
Can we just admit it? Now we’re seeing gays and lesbians commit murders and many “LGBT+” openly celebrating this while, to this day, no legacy gay and rights activist group or gay or lesbian rag has risen to denounce this “stuff”. Not a single one.
Don’t be surprised if we lose our hard won rights because if we cannot show respect to others and move to safeguard and protect women, children and youth, why are we worthy of equal rights?
I'm with you. I'm wondering though where does Twiggs call himself a furry and where does the statement come from that Robinson has a fixation on furries? Only the use of OwO, or did I miss something? Thank you!
The reporting from corporate media is quite disturbing and grossly inaccurate. I have watched much of it. I saw where Jimmy Kimmel said that Robinson is MAGA. That’s pure disinformation. Being someone who has been following the trans issue for quite some time, I am well aware of the furry culture. The shooter’s motivation is clear enough regardless of what CNN said. And the text dialogue between Robinson and his partner was anything, but “touching.” There are some who think it was done intentionally to protect the partner and make it appear he knew nothing of the planned shooting. Hard to believe. I think there will be further arrests as the investigation expands. Anyway, as one of your conservative followers, I always appreciate your perspectives. Thank you.
ABC pulled Kimmel off the air over this. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/17/business/media/abc-jimmy-kimmel.html?unlocked_article_code=1.m08.9Qsy.6-A8PUncXdEq&smid=url-share
NYTimes :> "... after conservatives accused the longtime host of inaccurately describing the politics of the man who is accused of fatally shooting the right-wing activist Charlie Kirk."
"inaccurately describing" seems rather biased at best. Here's what Kimmel apparently and actually said:
"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang trying to characterize this kid who killed Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them."
https://www.racket.news/p/note-on-jimmy-kimmel
Don't know about you, but, offhand, it seems that "anything other than one of them" is "prima facie evidence", as the lawyers say, of a libelous accusation that Robinson was "one of them", i.e., a "dissident Republican" who "went off the reservation".
Seems less a matter of "free speech" than of the libelous and slanderous variety.
Great report, Kara. Just as we need to say "he's a man; it's okay to say he's a man" - as you did in that powerful interview with Charlie Kirk, we need to say, "This is a sexual fetish: not just the furries but some considerable portion of the underlying drive and aggression of the male-led, male-dominated, male-violent AGP trans movement."
Psychologists used to know this: Cross-dressing was about sexual arousal. The "we're just like gay people and need human rights" PR campaign successfully squelched this fact.
Kudos to you for bringing more of this to light. Love your writing style, too.
Every article I have read sneeringly dismisses the idea that "trans" had anything to do with this. The fact is that Trans Rights Activists are the most violent faction on the left. I never read or listen to right wing media, so I don’t know if they have ever reported anything about TRA violence against women and feminist functions.
> ".. I don’t know if they [the Left, the Democrats?] have ever reported anything about TRA violence against women and feminist functions."
Mostly crickets from that quarter at least. But, in the same vein, you might have some interest in a shot I fired across the bows of some leftists over in something of a backwater, The Bulwark:
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/susan-rice-a-cancer-in-the-body-politic/comment/157040434
Think i have a couple of free subscriptions to give away there should anyone have some interest in weighing-in there.
"jaw, jaw" tends to be somewhat better than "war, war". 🙂
They are not on the left
They are disappointingly tribal on this issue, with the exception of Mona Charen, Cathy Young, and, possibly, Sarah Longwell, although she keeps quiet on it. You'd think that as former Republicans, they'd be a bit more open-minded, but they have swallowed the trans narrative hook, line, and sinker. Tim Miller and JVL are the worst. I used to like the Bulwark because I thought they offered a more moderate take than the liberal outlets I used to watch/read, but not on the trans issue (and they have also been sadly lacking in critical thinking when it came to Covid policy).
> " Tim Miller and JVL are the worst. I used to like the Bulwark because I thought they offered a more moderate take ...
Seems I have 4 free gift subscriptions left -- one taken, going fast, act now to reserve yours!! 😉🙂 -- to the Bulwark to give away if you, or anyone else was interested in having one. All I need is your email address which you can easily provide -- on the q.t. -- simply by subscribing, as briefly as you wish, to my own Substack. I can then use your email address to send you one of those Bulwark subscriptions.
In any case, y'all might have some interest in my several comments over there which seem to have thrown something of a fox in amongst the chickens:
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/emergency-triad-first-they-came-for/comment/157195395
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/emergency-triad-first-they-came-for/comment/157212024
Though, en passant, I wonder what Cathy Young's take has been. Seem to remember having some illuminating conversations with her -- lo, these many moons (possibly 9 years) ago, way back in the dark ages, in the era of Twitter 1.0 -- on sundry topics. Have always been rather impressed with her amusingly trenchant insight into the transgender clusterfuck:
"Cathy Young @CathyYoung63:
#BathroomWars 2020: Otherkin who identify as dogs challenge public urination bans b/c they should be able to piss on fire hydrants
3:27 AM · May 25, 2016"
https://x.com/CathyYoung63/status/735417064257683456
Shaping up to be another 30 -- or a 100 -- year war ...
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Anyone who dismisses a reporter or writer because they "lean" a certain way is an absolute moron, imo. They have no interest in our system of government and prefer to live in their own heads. I'll listen to anyone who sticks to facts and who can present an argument for their "side." This is how we get to compromise and solutions. I believe part of the denial about trans and furries is because it sounds like some nightmare of a fever dream, so fantastical that it must be a lie. We've gone from the Moral Majority in the 80's wanting to police everyone's bedroom and put chastity belts on females with the left fighting that, to now the far left wants to bring their bedrooms and fetishes out in public and force everyone to watch and celebrate, including children. In my view, you're not the far left, you're just the normal left.
Important info and data.
Sorry we all have to know this exists.
We need a mass deprogramming of this shit from society. The violence that stems from it is stunning. Not brave, not brave at all.
Speaking only for myself, in criminal cases particularly, I think it's especially important to take as much information as possible from primary sources and be very wary of reliance on any secondary source, no matter how generally reputable. Following that approach, in this case, per the charging documents (thank you for linking them), Robinson's partner does not seem to be implicated, and it appears to me that there is much more we need to verify about the background and motivation of the alleged killer.
That said, I agree that folks on our side of the aisle generally lack an understanding of the fetishism and associated violence that underlies some gender ideology activism, and we all have a responsibility to educate ourselves and take this seriously. As you noted, none of us who have taken on the responsibility to educate ourselves are the least bit keen to have had to become familiar with the incredibly dark corners of sexual behavior that animate some of this activism. It is essential to look this stuff in the eye and not shy away, and anyone who has not done that really should not be weighing in pro or con on these issues.
I certainly didn't mean to suggest that his partner is implicated. The partner appears to be cooperating. Did my post suggest otherwise?
I took it that way, but clearly I must have misread it.
Someone in a comment above suggested that these messages might have been deliberately planted by the two of them to make the roommate look innocent. That is complete speculation and hadn't occurred to me before (I always felt kind of sorry for the roommate), but honestly, it seems like a possibility.
I appreciate being informed on this Kara since the mainstream media is either avoiding or ignoring the truth. That being said the level of kink, violence, mental illness et. all, associated with the trans/furry movement is downright gross. The urge to take a break from all media right now is strong.
This is a not-to-be-missed report entitled The Insane Story Of A Furry Convention Undone By Its Debauchery. From 2015, this was RainFurrest convention in Seattle. It’s one thing to know what a furry is, but another altogether to know what a furry does. https://www.avclub.com/the-insane-story-of-a-furry-convention-undone-by-its-de-1798264086
De gustibus. 😉🙂
Reminds me that I had once jested, or jousted with a "lady of easy virtue" that for many people those others less kinky than they are are prudes, and that those more kinky are perverts.
Which reminds me of a quip by a character in Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove, to the effect that a "bunch of preverts were going to have answer to the Coca-Cola company" -- because the fellow, a soldier, had shot-up a Coca-Cola dispensing machine to get change so another character, Peter Sellers, could phone the White House.
It would be helpful to confirm whether it is true, as I have read multiple times, that paraphilias tend to cluster such that if a person has one, they are much more likely to have another. If true, this is highly relevant to the discussion around permitting trans-identifying males access to women’s spaces. If a man is AGP, it would therefore follow that he is a potential voyeurer, exhibitionist, and other highly disqualifying attributes.
Actually that is exactly what men who have AGP are doing- they have a fetish and they are using ridiculous self id laws to invade women only spaces. Most states, including ones that are considered red, are currently housing “trans identified” males in women’s prisons that have rape and sexual abuse convictions against women! They aren’t women- they are predators taking advantage of a law that allows them to abuse women. Not that it matters to the democrats who are in power, they don’t care about the distinction. Most people don’t even realize that the state they live in, has changed state laws already. In the state of NY men are allowed in the women’s locker rooms at gyms and women’s spas. We went from the extreme of believing all women a few years ago, to allowing them to be fetishized and abused now. It’s maddening.
This is true, often dressing in women’s clothing goes along with autoerotic asphyxiation.
> "If a man is AGP, it would therefore follow that he is a potential voyeurer, exhibitionist, and other highly disqualifying attributes."
"highly disqualifying"? You might give some thought to this transwoman, Lynn Conway:
Wikipedia: "Lynn Ann Conway (January 2, 1938 – June 9, 2024) was an American computer scientist, electrical engineer, and transgender rights activist.
In the 1960s, while working at IBM, Conway invented generalized dynamic instruction handling, a key advancement used in out-of-order execution, used by most modern computer processors to improve performance. IBM fired Conway in 1968 after she revealed her intention to undergo a gender transition, which the company apologized for in 2020.
Following her transition, Conway adopted a new name and identity and restarted her career. She worked at Xerox PARC from 1973 to 1983, where she led the "LSI Systems" group. She initiated the Mead–Conway VLSI chip design revolution in very large-scale integrated (VLSI) microchip design, which reshaped the field of microchip design during the 1980s.
Conway joined the University of Michigan as a professor of electrical engineering and computer science in 1985. "She" [he] retired from active teaching and research in 1998 as professor emerita. Conway began publicly discussing her gender transition in 1999 and was a transgender rights activist until her death in 2024."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Conway
https://www.eejournal.com/article/lynn-conway-1938-2024-the-computer-architect-who-helped-to-revolutionize-digital-ic-design/
https://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/conway.html
Don't know about you, but some might argue that "her" transition may have helped her to make some significant contributions to electronics and computer technology that have had far-reaching and quite beneficial effects on society in general.
Kinda think one has to do a bit of differentiation, to distinguish between the method and madness in the whole phenomenon, although it is maybe moot where the dividing line is, as is often the case. But there's maybe still some reason to argue that some transwomen insisting that they have actually changed sex -- a biological and medical impossibility -- with their brand-spanking new neovaginas -- as many do though I don't think Lynn ever did -- probably qualifies as crossing the Rubicon.
That's a man.
He was welcomed into the computer tech industry because he was a man.
You can't even imagine how hard it was for women to break into that industry as recently as the 1990s, much less in the 1960s. His whole career was based on him being a man.
Just one more man who took everything he could get out of his male privilege, then decided he needed to take womanhood away from women while he was at it. The tech industry is packed to the gills with misogynist men, including men like this. There's nothing special about any of them.
Well, he certainly had been a male, and then he wasn't; he became a sexless eunuch who looked pretty much like a woman, at least (not too deep) under the hood. You may, or may not, have some interest in his experiences on that score:
Vaginoplasty: Male to Female; Sex Reassignment Surgery
Historical notes, descriptions, photos, references and links.
https://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SRS.html
Only "his" gynecologist could say for sure, certainly not many of his sexual partners.
But don't think that detracts much from his contributions more or less as a woman -- seems he presented himself as such for some 25 years, and had been taken as such for that length of time:
Wikipedia: "Following her transition, Conway adopted a new name and identity and restarted her career. She worked at Xerox PARC from 1973 to 1983, where she led the "LSI Systems" group. She initiated the Mead–Conway VLSI chip design revolution in very large-scale integrated (VLSI) microchip design, which reshaped the field of microchip design during the 1980s. ....
Conway began publicly discussing her gender transition in 1999 and was a transgender rights activist until her death in 2024."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Conway
So, looked like a woman and was taken as such from 1973 to 1999. So something of a stretch to say, "His whole career was based on him being a man" as few if any knew that he had once been one.
But some complex and quite convoluted psychology there, not far removed from people who have a rather desperate need to remove an arm or leg or two:
The Atlantic: "A New Way to Be Mad
The phenomenon is not as rare as one might think: healthy people deliberately setting out to rid themselves of one or more of their limbs, with or without a surgeon's help. Why do pathologies sometimes arise as if from nowhere? Can the mere description of a condition make it contagious?"
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/12/a-new-way-to-be-mad/304671/
Archive link: https://archive.ph/OsvZ6
He stopped being male?
Um. No. He was still and always male. That's how human biology works.
He was a man from the moment he entered adulthood until the day he died.
He didn't look like a woman. He looked like a man pretending to be a woman. That's not at all the same thing. I've known plenty of men pretending to be women. We know who they are. Our very lives depend upon being able to differentiate between them and women.
He was certainly not treated like a woman by women. He was treated like a man forcing his paraphilia on women without their consent. Women treat each other completely differently from the way we treat men. Men are absolutely never treated the way we treat each other. Men don't even know what it's like. We live our lives as prey animals preyed upon by our own species. Our world is, by definition, 90% invisible to men.
As I said, he got into the tech industry by being a man and was allowed to climb his career ladder for a good decade before he decided that his male privilege hadn't extended far enough for him. So that's not a "stretch" at all. He was allowed to do what he did because he was a man. If he had been a woman, he wouldn't have been.
I truly wouldn't argue this kind of thing with a woman who's lived it, if I were you. I'm deeply traumatized for life by the misogyny of the tech industry and how women are treated in that field, the careers and financial security denied to us simply because we're women.
No man knows anything about what it's like to survive that--certainly not a man pretending to be a woman.
Eleganta: "He stopped being male? Um. No. He was still and always male. That's how human biology works."
That depends on how you define the sex categories. If "male=XY" then you might have a point since the karyotype never changes. But that is not how mainstream biology defines them -- you might take a gander at how that is done in reputable biological journals. For example:
From the Glossary of this Journal article on "Gamete competition, gamete limitation, and the evolution of the two sexes; Jussi Lehtonen, Geoff A. Parker; Oxford Academic; Molecular Human Reproduction, Volume 20, Issue 12, December 2014":
"Female: Biologically, the female sex is defined as the adult phenotype that produces the larger gametes in anisogamous systems.
Male: Biologically, the male sex is defined as the adult phenotype that produces the smaller gametes in anisogamous systems."
https://web.archive.org/web/20221214064356/https://academic.oup.com/molehr/article/20/12/1161/1062990?login=false
Technically speaking and by those definitions, one must have functioning gonads to qualify for sex category membership cards. A more practical definition might "ovary-haver" for "female" and "testicle-haver" for "male" but absolutely no biological journal says anything of the sort.
And if you don't use those definitions then you don't have much of a leg to stand on when some people, like the "judge" in the Tickle-vs-Giggle case, uses "vagina-haver (or reasonable facsimile thereof)" for "female" and "testicle-haver (or reasonable facsimile thereof)" for "male".
Eleganta: "He [Lynn Conway] didn't look like a woman. .... He was certainly not treated like a woman by women."
How do you know that? You ever read his biography?
You might take a look at "her" 2000 photo in the second LA Times story below -- you might have to use the archive link. "She" certainly looks rather feminine to me -- but then again, my "gay-dar" might need recalibration. 🙂
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-nov-19-tm-54188-story.html
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-11-23/ibm-apology-lynn-conway
Archive link: https://archive.ph/1H1Ez
Eleganta: "I truly wouldn't argue this kind of thing with a woman who's lived it, if I were you. I'm deeply traumatized for life by the misogyny of the tech industry ...."
Sorry to hear that. I went through BC's [British Columbia's] Institute of Technology -- two year diploma -- program in electronics some 50 years ago, and don't recollect any women in any of the courses. Most women just don't seem much interested in ohms and volts, in the hardware end of things. 🙂 I subsequently worked in the field for some 30 years and very few women in it, although I worked with a couple of women engineers but they were in the software end of things, women generally having a greater aptitude for languages.
I agree that perhaps some men’s partners cannot tell if they had vaginoplasty, but I think this owes less to the quality of the surgery and more to the fact that most men really don’t look that closely at female external genitalia and are quite content to view it as primarily a hole to stick it in.
I think the spin from terfs should be that the lover of the killer was trans.
Just plain trans.
The furry part is both hard to explain (see how much effort Kara had to devote to it) and then easy for our opponents to dismiss ("OK that guy really was nuts"). Trans needs no explanation and cannot be dismissed.
Also lover, not roommate or dating partner. Lover. That sticks in the brain better.
Does no one remember what George Lakoff tried to teach us 20 years ago about framing?
https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Think-Elephant-Debate-Progressives/dp/1931498717
I keep wondering about the role of homophobia in the relationship of the two of them. Both are from conservative Christian families, both appear to be gay... One of them is transitioning to female. Exactly what they do in Iran to be able to live as gay couples.
Very possible. "Trans away the gay".
Yeah. ICYMI, an oldish Telegraph article about Tavistock "transing gay away":
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/12/nhs-clinic-transing-gay-away/
Archive link: https://archive.ph/ACkTZ
Closer to home, an oldish post from "Reality's Last Stand":
RLS: "We’ve all read about the dark jokes at [Tavistock's] GIDS, that soon there would be no gays left—hence the expression transing away the gay."
https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/internalized-homophobia-and-gay-shame
KateP: "One of them is transitioning to female."
Close -- but no cigar. 😉🙂
https://imgur.com/gallery/as-non-native-speaker-i-dont-get-joke-please-explain-someone-ebYCG0f
The thing is that NO male is EVER going to "transition to female" -- a biological and medical impossibility. To a first approximation, to qualify as a female one must have ovaries, and to qualify as a male one must have testicles. No way on gawd's green earth that any transwoman is ever going to replace his testicles with ovaries of his own.
Though, to be fair to you, many other sources -- apparently including both ABC and NBC News -- have likewise stated that "Republican Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said the shooting suspect had a 'boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female' ...":
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/17/tyler-robinson-roommate-trans/
However, that same source (Snopes) says the "Court documents" quote Robinson's mother saying that Tyler "had started dating his 'roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders' ..."
There's a difference between "sex" and "gender" that many people -- including Kara -- don't realize and it's causing no end of confusion -- which tends to preclude resolution of a number of thorny social issues.
Since you seem to have "fallen down the gender rabbit hole" yourself -- 😉🙂 though easy enough to do; half the (western) world seems to have done likewise -- you may wish to take a gander at this post by "La Scapigliata" [AKA Dr. Maja Bowen] on the conflation of sex and gender:
https://lascapigliata.com/2018/03/27/how-conflation-of-sex-and-gender-became-a-tool-of-transgender-ideology/
She's labouring under a few (feminist) "cognitive distortions" of her own, but she still manages to draw a more or less accurate distinction between sex -- male & female; testicles & ovaries -- and gender -- masculine & feminine; behaviours and traits typical of males and females.
You -- and Kara in particular -- might also consider this illuminating analogy from the late great US Justice Anton Scalia which more or less replicates Bowen's arguments and perspectives:
AS: "The word ‘gender’ has acquired the new and useful connotation of cultural or attitudinal characteristics … distinctive to the sexes. That is to say, gender is to sex as feminine is to female and masculine is to male."
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep511/usrep511127/usrep511127.pdf
I’m sorry, I should have put quotes around this statement. I was using “transitioning to female” as a shorthand for whatever it is that man is doing. I am perfectly aware that no one ever changes sex. I am also aware (I’m sure Kara is as well) of the difference between sex and “gender” - whatever the latter means, Kathleen Stock lays out the various meanings in her book pretty well - and have known about it since I first encountered the writings of Judith Butler in the early 1990s (found them crazy back then, and wouldn’t have dreamed those ideas would ever go mainstream and capture even the medical establishment).
KateP: "I was using “transitioning to female” as a shorthand for whatever it is that man is doing."
Transitioning to a more "feminine" presentation and expression. Think it's important to use "feminine" and "masculine" for genders & keep the "female" and "male" for the sexes only. They refer to or denote entirely different kettles of fish as that post by Dr. Bowen emphasized.
I may have mentioned this before, but the late great justice Anton Scalia had a neat analogy that nicely differentiated between the two categories:
AS: "The word ‘gender’ has acquired the new and useful connotation of cultural or attitudinal characteristics … distinctive to the sexes. That is to say, gender is to sex as feminine is to female and masculine is to male."
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep511/usrep511127/usrep511127.pdf
It really has been hiding in plain sight for a while, and the occasional fad that’s come up a few times over the past 10-15 years in ads with fuzzy winter hats with little ears on them certainly helped to muddy the waters. Most people probably thought it was just cute.
So tell us about animé…
Please!
Thank you so much for making this a freebie. I can now share with my lefty friends.
Kara, to teach your lefty friends about furries, you need to include an AI generated illustration in your post. Missed opportunity 😂
“This is why many lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people have had it with Pride and with the “TQIA+” part of the acronym; they want nothing to do with this stuff.”
Correct, I watched it happen at a Pride march I produced in the 90s and rose up years ago. We’ve all seen it by now: “furries” (young people dressed in animal costumes) being oogled in public by paedophiles and people (almost all gay men) dressed in S&M attire.
Sorry gays, it’s NOT okay to just not want nothing to so with this “stuff”. NOT okay to just walk away and say nothing when you see children and youth being groomed by sexual predators. NOT okay to walk away when you see women being attacked and our rights taken away. You are complicit if you have failed to speak out and if you’re a bystander to this.
Can we just admit it? Now we’re seeing gays and lesbians commit murders and many “LGBT+” openly celebrating this while, to this day, no legacy gay and rights activist group or gay or lesbian rag has risen to denounce this “stuff”. Not a single one.
Don’t be surprised if we lose our hard won rights because if we cannot show respect to others and move to safeguard and protect women, children and youth, why are we worthy of equal rights?
I'm with you. I'm wondering though where does Twiggs call himself a furry and where does the statement come from that Robinson has a fixation on furries? Only the use of OwO, or did I miss something? Thank you!